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Freedom 
7th-Mar-2006 09:54 pm
-fingers on keys-
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself.
~Thomas Paine

I think we're forgetting this. It scares me more than this South Dakota mess ever could.
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7th-Mar-2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
South Dakota mess? I fear I've missed something as of late . . .
7th-Mar-2006 10:22 pm (UTC)
here's a relatively good description of the situation. Just google 'south dakota abortion' and you'll get loads of hits.
8th-Mar-2006 06:12 pm (UTC)
hm, I had totally missed that. I agree with you. While I am not necessarily for abortion, I think we need to be very careful about the limits we place, because as we place them on others we place them on ourselves as well.
7th-Mar-2006 10:32 pm (UTC)
For some time now, it seems to me, we've been working on the principle that there were absolute moral rights and wrongs attached to every political action, and that whoever has power currently is entitled to prosecute their position to the utmost as long as they control the levers of government. If they do not hold power, then it is their duty to obstruct and delay as much as possible, simply because they do not get to determine what the agenda is. Voters reward this behavior by consistently electing politicians who woo the extremes while mouthing platitudes about "bipartisanship". Meanwhile more and more groups arise whose sole purpose is to promote their candidate and rubbish anything that "the other guy" says, no matter who he or she advocates. Compromise is anathema and demagoguery and the politics of hate are promoted as some sort of desirable thing.

In Rome and Greece this led to polarization so extreme that people used violence to settle political disputes, enemies lists became hit lists, and national leaders made alliances with the nation's enemies in order to fulfill their domestic political agendas. Those were much more violent societies at root, and the political divisions were often had economic roots that predated the political tensions. But in the US at least I would not be surprised to see political violence taking place if matters continue as they are going now.
7th-Mar-2006 11:54 pm (UTC)
*nods*
precisely.

I'd not be surprised if we had Gaius Marius-esque proscriptions in 50 years time if it continues.
8th-Mar-2006 09:49 am (UTC)
I have used that quote as my signature on many groups and lists for the past few years. I take great pleasure in explaining it's origins to the more gung-ho of your compatriots when we are, er, discussing certain world events ;o)
8th-Mar-2006 04:53 pm (UTC)
I fear there are those who don't understand the quote on either side of the pond.
8th-Mar-2006 07:01 pm (UTC)
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

-Bush
Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
8th-Mar-2006 07:20 pm (UTC)
Yipes.
8th-Mar-2006 08:46 pm (UTC)
yipes on several levels, actually. i thought it serve as a nice foil to your quote.


8th-Mar-2006 08:56 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm not meaning my quote as whole-hearted support of Bush, but I'm not meaning to bash only him with it either.
8th-Mar-2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
I myself neither support nor bash him. He may be the leader of this country, but he certainly isn't singlehandedly responsible for the current condition/situation.
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